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May 11, 2015

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JC

Yeah, it's no use protesting now. They should have done it much earlier and aimed their complaints at the Labour Party, who shouldn't have picked Ed Milliband over his brother. Simple as that. The only chance Ed Milliband had of winning was in some Billy Elliot-style Britflick about a loser triumphing over almost impossible odds. People like that kind of thing in the cinema but not in real-life politics.

Some obvious tips for voters in the Labour leadership contest:
1. You may not like Tony Blair but he did win three elections. You may not like his stance on Iraq but it didn't lose him elections (check the chronology: Iraq War 2003; Blair re-elected 2007). The Iraq War is no longer a major political issue to most voters. Blair probably has some advice about winning election worth taking.
2. Reduce the influence of union leaders in the election process as much as possible.
3. Don't pay any attention to Guardian op-eds. (Let's face it, this last point is a general piece of advice which can be profitably applied to virtually any situation in life).

JC

Oops, should have been "re-elected 2005".

TDK

"Don't pay any attention to Guardian op-eds. (Let's face it, this last point is a general piece of advice which can be profitably applied to virtually any situation in life)."

The problem is that the Party is the same as the Guardian op-eds. As has long been apparent the Labour Party ceased to be a party that trusted the working class and has become instead the Party of the Government employed middle class bureaucrats, reliant upon the loyalty of selected interest groups who turn out on election day. Traditional Labour voters are cottoning on.

JC

Labour need to encourage the delusional Guardianistas to migrate to the Greens - surely their spiritual homeland - and concentrate on winning the ex-LibDem centrist vote.

For me the Guardian's complete ineptitude at electoral strategy is still symbolised by Operation Clark County, their 2004 letter-writing campaign to encourage US voters to reject Bush. Worked out well, didn't it?

Mind you, huge swathes of the media in general, with their Russell Brand fixation, seem equally detached from reality.

Martin Adamson

They can't ignore the unions and the apparatchiks of the permanent state because without them the Party has no money. Parties can limp on with a diminished number of voters, but they can't exist at all without funding.

JC

So it's back to the 80s then and Labour being the party of self-righteous losers. Oh well.

Perry de Havilland

There are a few things wrong with the Libby Purves article.

>>"It matters, because many of these show-pony protesters have real influence"

The election result suggests otherwise.

>>"being rightly admired for entertainment or artistic work or ebullient personalities"

No, being wrongly admired. Reinhard Heydrich was a superb violinist yet somehow I cannot bring myself to admire him. Ideas have consequences and people who give voice to thuggish evil ideas should be treated with disdain, even if they are good at pretending to be someone else (i.e. an actor) or are ebullient (is that really a reason to admire someone?) or being artistic. These things pale compared to wanting to see other people robbed and controlled. When a thug wants to debate, well fine. But if he gets in my face, I spit in his followed by a fist if the message need repeating. And I really don't care how charming or artistic they are when it suits them.

Julie near Chicago

PdH,

Been at the raw meat again, have we.

Well, I don't mind, as I happen to agree with you.

Perry de Havilland

Hmmmm.... raw meat ;-)

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